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		<title>By: haseena</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-3906</link>
		<dc:creator>haseena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane


I exactly have the same qualifications as you require except for one drawback i live in Pakistan.  But i m feeling very sorry for not being able to work for you this would have so exciting. Any ways 

Best Regards


Haseena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane</p>
<p>I exactly have the same qualifications as you require except for one drawback i live in Pakistan.  But i m feeling very sorry for not being able to work for you this would have so exciting. Any ways </p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p>Haseena</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Janice,

Good note. We have been having exactly that dialog with both our lawyer and CPA. The conclusion - we are cleared to go with contractor status, but we all agree there is the potential of skirting the line. The status will need to be reconsidered once we have a little working history to provide perspective. We are learning what this position is as we are interviewing. This will be our first non-technical person and it&#039;s an exploration. If you read our blog (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/07/18/do-you-have-an-employee-in-contractors-clothing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do You Have an Employee in Contractor&#039;s Clothing&lt;/a&gt;), this is an issue dear to our hearts. I&#039;m right there alongside you.

Long term, the right person may end up an employee (maybe even 3-6 months out). If they really are that helpful, we will want to be the focus of all their attention. If part time really solves our problem and they have other customers they provide a similar service to, then contract may be the right solution. Since the key differentiator is &lt;b&gt;control&lt;/b&gt; of their time, that is the key in our decision making process.

In response to your specific quotes:

â€œâ€¦work to exacting deadlinesâ€

We work for our clients to exacting deadlines. They do not define neither how we do the work nor when we do it, but they sure do insist it gets done on an agreed time line. That deadline more often than not is yesterday. In the interviews so far, we have told each candidate &quot;I don&#039;t care when you work, where you work or even how you do it, as long as the quality is high and everything on the task list is done on time.&quot; That fits pretty well into the contractor space.

â€œWe are happy to train the right person â€

Now this is a good point and requires clarification. I&#039;m the first to admit that this is a potential chink in the contractor choice. It&#039;s a question of approach and we are thinking about it quite a bit. We are requiring they use their own tools and their own space. We require the candidate know more than we do about 90% of their tasks. That&#039;s said, no one knows neither our business nor our clients better than we do. My hope is to find someone with a strong skill base, but who can help in other areas. We are a small business and the more hats you take from our head, the more helpful that is. If you happen to be a phenomenal organizer, office manager, team coordinator, h.r. person, but have never done books (and you are willing to help us out there until we can grow some more  - small business curse), then we will gladly accept the support and offer any training we can. I will need to check with my lawyer and CPA on exactly where that puts us. I would guess the difference is who is paying for the training. If they pay for it from an outside source, then contractor status is maintained. If we pay for it, things become iffy.

â€œSupport the CEO &amp; CTO in the daily activities&quot;

It seems to me the issue is the word daily. You are definitely correct. It&#039;s a good think we are not &lt;b&gt;requiring&lt;/b&gt; daily work. I explained during our last interview that we are a service/project based company. Our workload goes in cycles. Some periods we (the technical teams &amp; project managers) work 18 hour days and sometimes (like the next two weeks) things calm down a bit and we have the freedom to spend time with family and only work 2 hour days. That said, many of the tasks that need to be done are not part of the project cycle, making us think that the person we work with will have a fairly consistent basis of hours to work should they choose to. The possibility of daily work and daily support is there, and if that is truly the case, then employment begins to make sense. Since we have never had an office manager / administrator, we don&#039;t really know what to expect or how it will work out.

In essence. We think about this enormously, but its a learning lesson for us. That is why we are blogging about it and we appreciate the feedback so much.

Thanks Janice. Feel free to follow up with more questions, either online or offline.

-S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Janice,</p>
<p>Good note. We have been having exactly that dialog with both our lawyer and CPA. The conclusion &#8211; we are cleared to go with contractor status, but we all agree there is the potential of skirting the line. The status will need to be reconsidered once we have a little working history to provide perspective. We are learning what this position is as we are interviewing. This will be our first non-technical person and it&#8217;s an exploration. If you read our blog (see <a href="http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/07/18/do-you-have-an-employee-in-contractors-clothing/" rel="nofollow">Do You Have an Employee in Contractor&#8217;s Clothing</a>), this is an issue dear to our hearts. I&#8217;m right there alongside you.</p>
<p>Long term, the right person may end up an employee (maybe even 3-6 months out). If they really are that helpful, we will want to be the focus of all their attention. If part time really solves our problem and they have other customers they provide a similar service to, then contract may be the right solution. Since the key differentiator is <b>control</b> of their time, that is the key in our decision making process.</p>
<p>In response to your specific quotes:</p>
<p>â€œâ€¦work to exacting deadlinesâ€</p>
<p>We work for our clients to exacting deadlines. They do not define neither how we do the work nor when we do it, but they sure do insist it gets done on an agreed time line. That deadline more often than not is yesterday. In the interviews so far, we have told each candidate &#8220;I don&#8217;t care when you work, where you work or even how you do it, as long as the quality is high and everything on the task list is done on time.&#8221; That fits pretty well into the contractor space.</p>
<p>â€œWe are happy to train the right person â€</p>
<p>Now this is a good point and requires clarification. I&#8217;m the first to admit that this is a potential chink in the contractor choice. It&#8217;s a question of approach and we are thinking about it quite a bit. We are requiring they use their own tools and their own space. We require the candidate know more than we do about 90% of their tasks. That&#8217;s said, no one knows neither our business nor our clients better than we do. My hope is to find someone with a strong skill base, but who can help in other areas. We are a small business and the more hats you take from our head, the more helpful that is. If you happen to be a phenomenal organizer, office manager, team coordinator, h.r. person, but have never done books (and you are willing to help us out there until we can grow some more  &#8211; small business curse), then we will gladly accept the support and offer any training we can. I will need to check with my lawyer and CPA on exactly where that puts us. I would guess the difference is who is paying for the training. If they pay for it from an outside source, then contractor status is maintained. If we pay for it, things become iffy.</p>
<p>â€œSupport the CEO &#038; CTO in the daily activities&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me the issue is the word daily. You are definitely correct. It&#8217;s a good think we are not <b>requiring</b> daily work. I explained during our last interview that we are a service/project based company. Our workload goes in cycles. Some periods we (the technical teams &#038; project managers) work 18 hour days and sometimes (like the next two weeks) things calm down a bit and we have the freedom to spend time with family and only work 2 hour days. That said, many of the tasks that need to be done are not part of the project cycle, making us think that the person we work with will have a fairly consistent basis of hours to work should they choose to. The possibility of daily work and daily support is there, and if that is truly the case, then employment begins to make sense. Since we have never had an office manager / administrator, we don&#8217;t really know what to expect or how it will work out.</p>
<p>In essence. We think about this enormously, but its a learning lesson for us. That is why we are blogging about it and we appreciate the feedback so much.</p>
<p>Thanks Janice. Feel free to follow up with more questions, either online or offline.</p>
<p>-S</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ad indicates that the VOM is a &quot;contract&quot; position.  I was wondering if you would be treating this worker as an Independent contractor?  If that is the case, some of the elements in the job description are questionable with relation to IC / Employee classification guidelines:

&quot;...work to exacting deadlines&quot;
&quot;We are happy to train the right person &quot;
&quot;Support the CEO &amp; CTO in the daily activities &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ad indicates that the VOM is a &#8220;contract&#8221; position.  I was wondering if you would be treating this worker as an Independent contractor?  If that is the case, some of the elements in the job description are questionable with relation to IC / Employee classification guidelines:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;work to exacting deadlines&#8221;<br />
&#8220;We are happy to train the right person &#8221;<br />
&#8220;Support the CEO &amp; CTO in the daily activities &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: D. L. Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>D. L. Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning, Shane and Peter.  I emailed my resume to you earlier this morning after reviewing your website.  What a great website!  It&#039;s very unique and shows personality, which is important to me.  I wish you all the best in your continued growth!

D. L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, Shane and Peter.  I emailed my resume to you earlier this morning after reviewing your website.  What a great website!  It&#8217;s very unique and shows personality, which is important to me.  I wish you all the best in your continued growth!</p>
<p>D. L.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanja Van den Wouwer</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanja Van den Wouwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to (virtually) meet with you guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to (virtually) meet with you guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane and Peter,
What an exciting company and a wonderful opportunity. I emailed my resume through your Craigslist posting. I think my experience and personality would be a great fit for your company.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Warm regards,
Samantha Altomare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane and Peter,<br />
What an exciting company and a wonderful opportunity. I emailed my resume through your Craigslist posting. I think my experience and personality would be a great fit for your company.</p>
<p>Looking forward to hearing from you soon.</p>
<p>Warm regards,<br />
Samantha Altomare</p>
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		<title>By: Evangeline English</title>
		<link>http://blog.shaneandpeter.com/2007/08/15/opportunity-virtual-office-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Evangeline English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane and Peter! I just emailed my resume for consideration. Congratulations on the growth of your company.  This is a kind of environment I would like to sink my teeth into.
 
Evangeline English</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane and Peter! I just emailed my resume for consideration. Congratulations on the growth of your company.  This is a kind of environment I would like to sink my teeth into.</p>
<p>Evangeline English</p>
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